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Group 1,2 rear facing car seats

 

What is a group 1, 2 extended rear facing car seat?


A group 1, 2 car seat is a combination group seat which can accommodate a child from 9kg through to 25kg.  They are called extended rear facing as they typically keep children rear facing to 25kg, around 6 years old.  This stage seat can be used after the group 0+ infant seat has been outgrown, it is an alternative option to forward facing group 1 car seats.

The seat is normally outgrown when the child’s eyes are level with the top of the car seat, although it is important to check the manual for the seat.

Extended rear facing BeSafe iZi Plus, which has a 0 - 25kg weight limit, approx 6 months to 6 years.

 

Extended rear facing BeSafe iZi Plus, which has a 0 - 25kg weight limit, approx 6 months to 6 years.

Why would you keep a child rear facing after the infant seat?


Traditionally, children in the UK are moved up to a forward facing seat once they hit 20lbs or 9kg, yet they are much safer travelling rear facing. In Sweden, children have travelled rear facing until they are 4 years old since the 1960’s, and they have extremely low numbers of children getting killed or injured in road traffic collisions.

Rear facing car seats after the infant seat allow children to be better protected from the forces of a collision.

In an impact, a forward facing child is restrained by the 5 point harness or impact shield.  The harness or shield stops their body travelling forward when the vehicle crashes, restraining them in their child seat. However, their head is not restrained and continues travelling forward.  A young child’s head is 25% of his or her body weight, and in a collision this puts large amounts of force and pressure on their fragile neck and spine.

 

A 9kg child in a forward facing car seat.  Although this is legal, it is not as safe as rear facing.

 

When a child is rear facing, they are pushed back into their child seat, which keeps their head, neck and spine aligned.  This greatly reduces the force their body is subject to, as it is spread through the back of the child seat.

 

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Extended rear facing child seats also carry other benefits, such as view, comfort and a reduction in driver distraction.

 

The view


Many parents and carers are concerned a child will have an obstructed view when travelling in an extended rear facing car seat.  This is understandable, as we are so used to seeing babies in little infant seats facing the vehicle seat.  However extended rear facing seats are higher up and set further back than infant seats, giving a child a fantastic view out of the back and side windows.

 

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Comfort


Rear facing car seats offer just as much comfort as forward facing car seats, and have all the same features such as great recline options, head support and softly padded covers.  They offer the same comfort and support for younger babies, and for older children, rear facing car seats can be more comfortable as their legs are fully supported, rather than hanging off the end of the seat.  Many extended rear facing car seats leave a gap for leg room.



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Driver distraction


This is an important safety benefit of rear facing car seats, in that they can reduce driver distraction.  A recent study has shown that children are up to 12 TIMES more distracting in a car than a mobile phone!  The study found that on the average 16 minute journey with kids in the car, drivers took their eyes off the road for a total of 3 minutes.  A rear facing child presents less of a distraction, and a rear facing mirror can help you check that they are OK (when it’s safe to do so, of course!)

 

Are forward facing car seats dangerous?


No, forward facing car seats don’t put children in danger – they have hugely reduced the number of children who are killed or seriously injured in road traffic collisions in the UK.  However, they are not as safe as rear facing car seats, due to the physics involved in a collision.  It is important to rear face your child for as long as possible, at least until the maximum weight and height limit of their group 0+ car seat – this is when they weigh 13kg, or when the top of their head is level with the top of the seat, approximately 12-18 months.  If your child is outgrowing their infant seat by height, but has not yet reached 13kg, a group 0+1 combination seat can be a good option to allow you to continue the benefits of rear facing.

 

R129 i-Size


R129 is the newest legislation for child seats, and it is different from standard R44 seats in several ways:

1)    The crash dummy has been updated – the crash dummy can now measure more points of force on a child’s body than the dummy used in R44 testing.  This now includes being able to measure neck loading, which R44 dummies cannot do.  This data has shown that a child who weighs 9kg and is 9 months old is not protected in a forward facing seat, and that they are far safer rear facing.

2)    Children must rear face to 15 months by law in an i-Size car seat – this will eventually apply across all seats.  Even if you don’t have an i-Size car seat, you can still rear face your child for longer in a group 0+1, or group 1, 2 car seat.

3)    A new mandatory side impact test has been introduced.  This is not tested under R44.04.

4)    The seats are selected by height, over weight.

5)    The harness must be easy to adjust, and the covers simple to remove – this will be music to the ears of anyone who has spent a Saturday afternoon fighting the car seat cover!

 

Are they more difficult to fit? 


Yes, extended rear facing car seats can be more difficult to fit, although it does depend on what seat you get.  A majority of extended rear facing car seats have additional tether straps which must be fitted.  Once your tether straps are fitted into your car however, they simply click to the attachments on the child seat.  If you will be moving the seat between vehicles, we recommend buying a spare set of tether straps to leave fitted in the second car to reduce fitting time to that of a 'regular' car seat.



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Where can you buy them?


Although there is a good choice of rear facing group 1, 2 car seats available, you are unlikely to find them in major retail stores.  Extended rear facing car seats are typically available from independent retail stores.

You will find extended rear facing car seats available online, however Good Egg Safety discourages online buying as you will not have a member of staff to show you how to fit your seat in the car.



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Comments 10

Guest - ERFmama on Monday, 09 February 2015 23:58

Awesome post !

Awesome post ! :)
Guest - Good Egg Safety on Thursday, 12 February 2015 11:48

Thanks ERFmama!

Thanks ERFmama! :)
Guest - Helen m on Monday, 30 March 2015 21:34

A great blog thanks for sharing. Can I ask what car it is and how do you get the Middle child in their seat?

A great blog thanks for sharing. Can I ask what car it is and how do you get the Middle child in their seat?
Guest - Good Egg Safety on Tuesday, 31 March 2015 10:24

Hi Helen,

Thanks for the kind comment!

The car is a Renault Espace, and the child seat is an Axkid Kidzofix. The middle child can climb into her car seat, so her Mum just has to do the harness up. A toddler would be able to climb into the seat themselves, however a young baby might be a little more of a challenge!

Hi Helen, Thanks for the kind comment! The car is a Renault Espace, and the child seat is an Axkid Kidzofix. The middle child can climb into her car seat, so her Mum just has to do the harness up. A toddler would be able to climb into the seat themselves, however a young baby might be a little more of a challenge!
Guest - Suzy C on Wednesday, 29 April 2015 20:18

How do these impact on the space for the driver (so that the driver is comfortable and not sat right up against the steering wheel) and the passenger is not sat so far forward that the airbag could be hazardous? I do understand that the children's safety is important too.

How do these impact on the space for the driver (so that the driver is comfortable and not sat right up against the steering wheel) and the passenger is not sat so far forward that the airbag could be hazardous? I do understand that the children's safety is important too.
Guest - Good Egg Safety on Tuesday, 12 May 2015 11:42

Hi Suzy,

Thanks for your comment!

It really does depend on what vehicle the seat will be fitted into, and what child seat is used - as with any car seat, not all extended rear facing seats fit all cars. You can get some extended rear facing seats which are very compact, and there are other seats which are much bigger, that allow more growing room and leg space for the child.

We would not recommend fitting a large rear facing seat in the car if it is going to be hazardous to front passengers, in this instance we would recommend trying the more compact models.

Thanks!
The Good Egg Team

Hi Suzy, Thanks for your comment! It really does depend on what vehicle the seat will be fitted into, and what child seat is used - as with any car seat, not all extended rear facing seats fit all cars. You can get some extended rear facing seats which are very compact, and there are other seats which are much bigger, that allow more growing room and leg space for the child. We would not recommend fitting a large rear facing seat in the car if it is going to be hazardous to front passengers, in this instance we would recommend trying the more compact models. Thanks! The Good Egg Team :)
Guest - Jade Tidbury on Wednesday, 09 December 2015 23:09

Hi, I've been looking for a rear facing car seat for months now. My son is 20 months. I've looked around the area and there isn't many about, especially since we can't use the isofix, and it's even harder to tell what's rear facing online! Do you have any suggestions on reasonably priced seats? Many thanks!

Hi, I've been looking for a rear facing car seat for months now. My son is 20 months. I've looked around the area and there isn't many about, especially since we can't use the isofix, and it's even harder to tell what's rear facing online! Do you have any suggestions on reasonably priced seats? Many thanks!
Guest - Good Egg Safety on Thursday, 10 December 2015 15:10

Hi Jade,

Thank you for your comment!

If you could e-mail the following information to enquiries@goodeggsafety.com, our experts will be happy to recommend some seats for you to look into.
We need to know:
1) Your son's weight
2) Your son's height/how much room is between the top of his head and the top of his current seat (plus what seat he is currently using)
3) The make, model and year of the car the seat will be fitted into
4) The make, model and year of any other cars the seat will be fitted into
5) You have mentioned you can't use ISOFIX, would you prefer to, if the option was available?
Finally, if you could also let us know what budget you have in mind.

Kind Regards,
The Good Egg Team

Hi Jade, Thank you for your comment! If you could e-mail the following information to enquiries@goodeggsafety.com, our experts will be happy to recommend some seats for you to look into. We need to know: 1) Your son's weight 2) Your son's height/how much room is between the top of his head and the top of his current seat (plus what seat he is currently using) 3) The make, model and year of the car the seat will be fitted into 4) The make, model and year of any other cars the seat will be fitted into 5) You have mentioned you can't use ISOFIX, would you prefer to, if the option was available? Finally, if you could also let us know what budget you have in mind. Kind Regards, The Good Egg Team
Guest - flo13 on Tuesday, 12 April 2016 12:02

I'm looking for a rearward facing car seat group 1 & 2 which does not use iso fix. Looked at loads of sites and seats but can't find any. Would you have a list of seats like that please? Small budget but if I can find something that lasts until 6 years then can spend a bit more. I was ideally looking at i-size but they are all isofix I think.
Only looking at seat belt fixing as the seat will be shared between 2 cars and 1 van, so I think 3 isofix to retrofit would be expensive. Any advice appreciated. Thanks.

I'm looking for a rearward facing car seat group 1 & 2 which does not use iso fix. Looked at loads of sites and seats but can't find any. Would you have a list of seats like that please? Small budget but if I can find something that lasts until 6 years then can spend a bit more. I was ideally looking at i-size but they are all isofix I think. Only looking at seat belt fixing as the seat will be shared between 2 cars and 1 van, so I think 3 isofix to retrofit would be expensive. Any advice appreciated. Thanks.
Guest - Good Egg Safety on Tuesday, 12 April 2016 13:06

Hi,

Thank you for your comment.

There are quite a few rear facing group 1,2 car seats available, although they do not fit every car. Rear facing group 1,2 car seats are approved as semi universal, so they will have a vehicle compatibility list which must be consulted prior to purchase, so you can ensure the seat will safely fit in your cars.

Rear facing group 1,2 car seats:
Britax:
Britax Multitech
Britax Max Way
Britax Two Way Elite
Britax Hi Way II

Maxi Cosi Mobi
BeSafe iZi Plus

Axkid:
Axkid Minikid
Axkid Re-kid
Axkid Duofix

Rear facing group 1,2 car seats use tether straps to prevent re-bound of the car seat. We recommend that you buy extra sets of tether straps to leave fitted in each car, to make moving the seat quick and easy.

Kind Regards,
The Good Egg Team

Hi, Thank you for your comment. There are quite a few rear facing group 1,2 car seats available, although they do not fit every car. Rear facing group 1,2 car seats are approved as semi universal, so they will have a vehicle compatibility list which must be consulted prior to purchase, so you can ensure the seat will safely fit in your cars. Rear facing group 1,2 car seats: Britax: Britax Multitech Britax Max Way Britax Two Way Elite Britax Hi Way II Maxi Cosi Mobi BeSafe iZi Plus Axkid: Axkid Minikid Axkid Re-kid Axkid Duofix Rear facing group 1,2 car seats use tether straps to prevent re-bound of the car seat. We recommend that you buy extra sets of tether straps to leave fitted in each car, to make moving the seat quick and easy. Kind Regards, The Good Egg Team
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